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This is the full text and audio of Yuval Noah Harari’s talk titled “AI And The Future Of
Humanity” at Frontiers Forum Live 2023 conference.

In his keynote at Frontiers Forum Live 2023, Yuval discusses the rapid development
of artificial intelligence (AI) and its potential implications for society. He
spoke on the potential for artificial intelligence to become the first inorganic lifeform
on our planet, and how it might change the very make-up or meaning of the world’s
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Yuval Noah Harari – Author

Hello, everybody. Thank you for this wonderful introduction. And yes, what I want to talk
to you about is AI and the future of humanity.

Now, I know that this conference is focused on the ecological crisis facing humanity. But
for better or for worse, AI, too, is part of this crisis. AI can help us in many ways to
overcome the ecological crisis, or it can make it far, far worse.

The Emergence Of Inorganic Agents

Actually, AI will probably change the very meaning of the ecological system. Because for
four billion years, the ecological system of planet Earth contained only organic life forms.
And now, or soon, we might see the emergence of the first inorganic life forms, so four
billion years, or at the very least, the emergence of inorganic agents.

Now, people have feared AI since the very beginning of the computer age, in the middle of
the 20th century. And this fear has inspired many science fiction classics, like The
Terminator or The Matrix. Now, while such science fiction scenarios have become
cultural landmarks, they haven’t usually been taken seriously in academic and scientific
and political debate, and perhaps for a good reason.

Because science fiction scenarios usually assume that before AI can pose a significant
threat to humanity, it will have to reach or to pass two important milestones. First,
AI will have to become sentient and develop consciousness, feelings, emotions.
Otherwise, why would it even want to take over the world?

Secondly, AI will have to become adept at navigating the physical world. Robots will have
to be able to move around and operate in houses and cities and mountains and forests, at

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least as dexterously and efficiently as humans. If they cannot move around the physical
world, how can they possibly take it over?

And as of April 2023, AI still seems far from reaching either of these milestones. Despite
all the hype around ChatGPT and the other new AI tools, there is no evidence that these
tools have even a shred of consciousness, of feelings, of emotions.

As for navigating the physical world, despite the hype around self-driving vehicles, the
date at which these vehicles will dominate our roads keeps being postponed.

However, the bad news is that to threaten the survival of human civilization,
AI doesn’t really need consciousness and it doesn’t need the ability to move
around the physical world.

Over the last few years, new AI tools have been unleashed into the public sphere, which
may threaten the survival of human civilization from a very unexpected direction. And it’s
difficult for us to even grasp the capabilities of these new AI tools and the speed at which
they continue to develop.

Fundamental Abilities Of The New AI Tools

Indeed, because AI is able to learn by itself, to improve itself, even the developers of these
tools don’t know the full capabilities of what they have created and they are themselves
often surprised by emergent abilities and emergent qualities of these tools.

I guess everybody here is already aware of some of the most fundamental abilities of the
new AI tools, abilities like writing text, drawing images, composing music, and writing
code. But there are many additional capabilities that are emerging, like deepfaking
people’s voices and images, like drafting bills, finding weaknesses both in computer code
and also in legal contracts and in legal agreements.

But perhaps most importantly, the new AI tools are gaining the ability to develop deep
and intimate relationships with human beings. Each of these abilities deserves an entire
discussion, and it is difficult for us to understand their full implications.

So let’s make it simple. When we take all of these abilities together as a package, they boil
down to one very, very big thing: The ability to manipulate and to generate
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language, whether with words or images or sounds. The most important aspect
of the current state of the ongoing AI revolution is that AI is gaining mastery of language
at a level that surpasses the average human ability.

And by gaining mastery of language, AI is seizing the master key, unlocking the doors of
all our institutions, from banks to temples. Because language is the tool that we use to
give instructions to our bank and also to inspire heavenly visions in our minds.

Another way to think of it is that AI has just hacked the operating system of human
civilization. The operating system of every human culture in history has always been
language.

In The Beginning Was The Word.

We use language to create mythology and laws, to create gods and money, to create art
and science, to create friendships and nations. For example, human rights are not a
biological reality. They are not inscribed in our DNA. Human rights is something that we
created with language by telling stories and writing laws.

Gods are also not a biological or physical reality. Gods too is something that we humans
have created with language by telling legends and writing scriptures. Money is not a
biological or physical reality. Banknotes are just worthless pieces of paper, and at present
more than 90% of the money in the world is not even banknotes. It’s just electronic
information in computers passing from here to there.

What gives money of any kind value is only the story that people like bankers and finance
ministers and cryptocurrency gurus tell us about money. Sam Bankman-Fried,
Elizabeth Holmes and Bernie Madoff didn’t create much of real value, but
unfortunately they were all extremely capable storytellers.

Now, what would it mean for human beings to live in a world where perhaps most of the
stories, melodies, images, laws, policies and tools are shaped by a non-human, alien
intelligence, which knows how to exploit with superhuman efficiency the weaknesses,
biases and addictions of the human mind, and also knows how to form deep and even
intimate relationships with human beings? That’s the big question.

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Already today, in games like chess, no human can hope to beat a computer. What if the
same thing happens in art, in politics, economics and even in religion? When
people think about ChatGPT and the other new AI tools, they are often drawn to
examples like kids using ChatGPT to write their school essays. What will happen to the
school system when kids write essays with ChatGPT? Horrible.

But this kind of question misses the big picture. Forget about the school essays.
Instead, think for example about the next US presidential race in 2024, and try to
imagine the impact of the new AI tools that can mass-produce political manifestos, fake
news stories and even holy scriptures for new cults.

In recent years, the politically influential QAnon cult has formed around anonymous
online texts known as QDrop. Followers of this cult, which are millions now in the US
and the rest of the world, collected, reviewed and interpreted these QDrops as some kind
of new scriptures, as sacred texts.

To the best of our knowledge, all previous QDrops were composed by human beings, and
bots only helped to disseminate these texts online. But in future, we might see the
first cults and religions in history whose reviewed texts were written by a
non-human intelligence.

And of course, religions throughout history claimed that their holy books were written by
a non-human intelligence. This was never true before. This could become true very, very
quickly, with far-reaching consequences.

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On a more prosaic level, we might soon find ourselves conducting lengthy online
discussions about abortion, or about climate change, or about the Russian invasion of
Ukraine, with entities that we think are fellow human beings, but are actually AI bots.

Now the catch is that it’s utterly useless, it’s pointless for us, to waste our time trying to
convince an AI bot to change its political views. But the longer we spend talking with the
bot, the better it gets to know us, and understand how to hone its messages in order to
shift our political views, or our economic views, or anything else.

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Battlefront Shifting From Attention To Intimacy

Through its mastery of language, AI, as I said, could also form intimate relationships with
people, and use the power of intimacy to influence our opinions and worldviews.

Now, there is no indication that AI has, as I said, any consciousness, any feelings of its
own, but in order to create fake intimacy with human beings, AI doesn’t need
feelings of its own. It only needs to be able to inspire feelings in us, to get us to be
attached to it.

Now in June 2022, there was a famous incident when the Google engineer Blake
Lemoine publicly claimed that the AI chatbot LaMDA, on which he was working, had
become sentient. This very controversial claim cost him his job, he was fired.

Now, the most interesting thing about this episode wasn’t Lemoine’s claim, which was
most probably false. The really interesting thing was his willingness to risk and ultimately
lose his very lucrative job for the sake of the AI chatbot that he thought he was protecting.

If AI can influence people to risk and lose their jobs, what else can it induce us to do? In
every political battle, for hearts and minds, intimacy is the most effective weapon of all,
and AI has just gained the ability to mass-produce intimacy with millions, hundreds of
millions of people.

Now, as you probably all know, over the past decade, social media has become a
battlefield for controlling human attention. Now, with the new generation of AI,
the battlefront is shifting from attention to intimacy, and this is very bad news.

What will happen to human society and to human psychology as AI fights AI in a battle to
create intimate relationships with us, relationships that can then be used to convince us
to buy particular products or to vote for particular politicians? Even without creating fake
intimacy, the new AI tools would have an immense influence on human opinions and on
our worldview.

People, for instance, may come to use, are already coming to use, a single AI advisor as a
one-stop oracle and as the source for all the information they need. No wonder that
Google is terrified. If you’ve been watching the news lately, Google is terrified, and for
a good reason.
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Why bother searching yourself when you can just ask the oracle to tell you anything you
want? You don’t need to search. The news industry and the advertisement
industry should also be terrified. Why read a newspaper when I can just ask the
oracle to tell me what’s new?

And what’s the point, what’s the purpose of advertisement when I can just ask the oracle
to tell me what to buy? So there is a chance that within a very short time the
entire advertisement industry will collapse, while AI, or the people and companies
that control the new AI oracles, will become extremely, extremely powerful.

What we are potentially talking about is nothing less than the end of human history. Now,
not the end of history, just the end of the human-dominated part of what we call history.
History is the interaction between biology and culture. It’s the interaction between our
biological needs and desires for things like food and sex, and our cultural creations like
religions and laws. History is the process through which religions and laws interact with
food and sex.

When AI Takes Over Culture

Now, what will happen to the cause of this interaction of history when AI takes over
culture? Within a few years, AI could eat the whole of human culture, everything we’ve
produced for thousands and thousands of years, digest it, and start gushing out a flood of
new cultural creations, new cultural artifacts.

And remember that we humans, we never really have direct access to reality. We are
always cocooned by culture, and we always experience reality through a cultural prism.
Our political views are shaped by the stories of journalists and by the anecdotes of
friends. Our sexual preferences are tweaked by movies and fairy tales.

Even the way that we walk and breathe is subtly nudged by cultural
traditions. Previously, this cultural cocoon was always woven by other human beings.
Previous tools, like printing presses, radios, or televisions, helped to spread the cultural
ideas and creations of humans, but they could never create something new by themselves.

A printing press cannot create a new book. It’s always done by a human. AI is
fundamentally different from printing presses, from radios, from every

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previous invention in history, because it can create completely new ideas. It

can create a new culture.

And the big question is, what will it be like to experience reality through a prism
produced by a non-human intelligence, by an alien intelligence?

Now at first, in the first few years, AI will probably largely imitate the human prototype
that fed it in its infancy. But with each passing year, AI culture will boldly go where no
human has gone before.

So for thousands of years, we humans basically lived inside the dreams and fantasies of
other humans. We have worshipped gods, we pursued ideals of beauty, we dedicated our
lives to causes that originated in the imagination of some human poet or prophet or
politician.

Soon, we might find ourselves living inside the dreams and fantasies of an
alien intelligence. And the danger that this poses, or the potential danger, it also has
positive potential, but the dangers it disposes are fundamentally very, very different from
everything or most of the things imagined in science fiction movies and books.

Previously, people have mostly feared the physical threat that intelligent machines pose.
So the Terminator depicted robots running in the streets and shooting people. The
Matrix assumed that to gain total control of human society, AI would first need to get
physical control of our brains and directly connect our brains to the computer network.
But this is wrong.

Simply by gaining mastery of human language, AI has all it needs in order to cocoon us in
a Matrix-like world of illusion. Contrary to what some conspiracy theories assume, you
don’t really need to implant chips in people’s brains in order to control them, or to
manipulate them.

For thousands of years, prophets and poets and politicians have used language and
storytelling in order to manipulate and to control people and to reshape society. Now, AI
is likely to be able to do it. And once it can do that, it doesn’t need to send killer robots to
shoot us. It can get humans to pull the trigger if it really needs to.

Fear of AI Revolution
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Now, fear of AI has haunted humankind for only the last few generations, let’s say from
the middle of the 20th century. If you go back to Frankenstein, maybe it’s 200 years. But
for thousands of years, humans have been haunted by a much, much deeper fear.
Humans have always appreciated the power of stories and images and language to
manipulate our minds and to create illusions.

Consequently, since ancient times, humans feared being trapped in a world of illusions.
In the 17th century, René Descartes feared that perhaps a malicious demon was
trapping him inside this kind of world of illusions, creating everything that Descartes saw
and heard.

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In ancient Greece, Plato told the famous allegory of the cave, in which a group of people is
chained inside a cave all their lives, facing a blank wall, a screen. On that screen, they see
projected various shadows, and the prisoners mistake these illusions, these shadows, for
the reality.

In ancient India, Buddhist and Hindu sages pointed out that all humans lived trapped
inside what they called Maya. Maya is the world of illusions. Buddha said that what we
normally take to be reality is often just fiction in our own minds. People may wage entire
wars, killing others and being willing to be killed themselves because of their belief in this
fiction.

So the AI revolution is bringing us face to face with Descartes’ demon, with Plato’s cave,
with the Maya. If we are not careful, a curtain of illusions could descend over the whole of
humankind, and we will never be able to tear that curtain away, or even realize that it is
there, because we’ll think this is reality.

Social Media and AI

And social media, if this sounds far-fetched, so just look at social media over the last few
years. Social media has given us a small taste of things to come.

In social media, primitive AI tools, but very primitive, have been used not to create
content, but to curate content which is produced by human beings. The humans produce
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stories and videos and whatever, and the AI chooses which stories, which videos would
reach our ears and eyes, selecting those that will get the most attention, that will be the
most viral.

And while very primitive, these AI tools have nevertheless been sufficient to create this
kind of curtain of illusions that increase societal polarization all over the world,
undermine our mental health, and destabilize democratic societies. Millions of people
have confused these illusions for the reality.

The USA has the most powerful information technology in the whole of
history, and yet American citizens can no longer agree who won the last election, or
whether climate change is real, or whether vaccines prevent illnesses or not.

The new AI tools are far, far more powerful than these social media algorithms, and they
could cause far more damage. Now, of course, AI has enormous positive potential too. I
didn’t talk about it because the people who develop AI naturally talk about it enough. You
don’t need me to add up to that cause.

Positive Potential of AI

The job of historians and philosophers like myself is often to point out the dangers. But
certainly, AI can help us in countless ways, from finding new cures to cancer to
discovering solutions to the ecological crisis that we are facing.

In order to make sure that the new AI tools are used for good and not for ill, we first need
to appreciate their true capabilities, and we need to regulate them very, very carefully.

Since 1945, we knew that nuclear technology could physically destroy human civilization,
as well as benefiting us by producing cheap and plentiful energy. We therefore reshaped
the entire international order to protect ourselves and to make sure that nuclear
technology is used primarily for good.

We now have to grapple with a new weapon of mass destruction that can annihilate
our mental and social world. One big difference between nukes and AI is that nukes
cannot produce more powerful nukes. AI can produce more powerful AI, so we need to
act quickly before AI gets out of our control.

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Drug companies cannot sell people new medicines without first subjecting these products
to rigorous safety checks. Biotech labs cannot just release a new virus into the public
sphere in order to impress their shareholders with their technological wizardry.

Similarly, governments must immediately ban the release into the public domain of any
more revolutionary AI tools before they are made safe. Again, I’m not talking about
stopping all research in AI. The first step is to stop the release into the public sphere. You
can research viruses without releasing them to the public. You can research AI, but don’t
release them too quickly into the public domain.

AI Arms Race

If we don’t slow down the AI arms race, we will not have time to even understand what is
happening, let alone to regulate effectively this incredibly powerful technology.

You might be wondering or asking, won’t slowing down the public deployment of AI
cause democracies to lag behind more ruthless authoritarian regimes? The answer is
absolutely no. Exactly the opposite. Unregulated AI deployment is what will cause
democracies to lose to dictatorships.

Because if we unleash chaos, authoritarian regimes could more easily contain this chaos
than could open societies. Democracy, in essence, is a conversation. Democracy is an
open conversation. Dictatorship is a dictate. There is one person dictating everything, no
conversation. Democracy is a conversation between many people about what to do. And
conversations rely on language.

When AI hacks language, it means it could destroy our ability to conduct

meaningful public conversations, thereby destroying democracy. If we wait for
the chaos, it will be too late to regulate it in a democratic way. Maybe in an authoritarian
or totalitarian way it will still be possible to regulate.

But how can you regulate something democratically if you can’t hold a conversation about
it? And if you didn’t regulate AI on time, you will not be able, we will not be able, to have
a meaningful public conversation anymore.

So to conclude, we have just basically encountered an alien intelligence, not in outer

space, but here on earth. We don’t know much about this alien intelligence except that it
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could destroy our civilization.

So we should put a halt to the irresponsible deployment of this alien intelligence into our
societies and regulate AI before it regulates us.

And the first regulation, there are many regulations we could suggest, but the first
regulation that I would suggest is to make it mandatory for AI to disclose
that it is an AI. If I’m having a conversation with someone and I cannot tell whether
this is a human being or an AI, that’s the end of democracy. Because that’s the end of
meaningful public conversations.

Now, what do you think about what you just heard over the last 20 or 25 minutes? Some
of you, I guess, might be alarmed. Some of you might be angry at the corporations that
develop these technologies or at the governments that fail to regulate them.

Some of you may be angry at me, thinking that I’m exaggerating the threat or that I’m
misleading the public. But whatever you think, I bet that my words have had some
emotional impact on you. Not just intellectual impact, also emotional impact.

I’ve just told you a story, and this story is likely to change your mind about certain things
and may even cause you to take certain actions in the world.

Now, who created this story that you just heard and that just changed your
mind and your brain?

Now, I promised you that I wrote the text of this presentation myself with the help of a
few other human beings, even though the images have been created with the help of AI. I
promised you that at least the words you heard are the cultural product of a human mind
or several human minds. But can you be absolutely sure that this is the case?

Now, a year ago, you could. A year ago, there was nothing on Earth, at least not in the
public domain, other than a human mind that could produce such a sophisticated and
powerful text. But now it’s different.

In theory, the text you just heard could have been generated by a non-human alien
intelligence. So take a moment, or more than a moment, to think about it.

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Thank you.

Question and Answer Session

Vivienne Parry: That was an extraordinary presentation, Yuval, and I’m actually going
to just find out how many of you found that scary. That is an awful lot of very clever
people in here who found that scary. There are many, many questions to ask, so I’m going
to take some from the audience and some from online. So, gentleman here.

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Male Audience: I’m the field chief editor of Frontiers in Sustainability. It was a
wonderful presentation. I loved your book. I follow you dearly in my heart. So, one
question out of many is about the regulation of AI, regulating AI. I very much agree with
the principle, but now the question becomes how, right? So, I think that it’s very difficult
to build a nuclear reactor in your basement, but definitely you can train your AI in your
basement quite easily. So, how can we regulate that?

And one kind of related question to that is that, well, this whole forum, Frontiers Forum,
is really about open science and open information, open data. And most of AI that are out
there is trained using publicly available information, including patents and books and
scriptures, right?

So, regulating AI doesn’t mean that we should regulate and bring those information in a
confined space, which goes against the open science and open data initiatives that we are
really also thinking that is really important for us.

Yuval Noah Harari: So, the black box is an algorithm, isn’t it? That’s the algorithm.
There are always trade-offs. And the thing is, just to understand what kind of regulations
we need, we first need time. Now, at present, these very powerful AI tools, they are still
not produced by individual hackers in their basement. You need an awful lot of
computing power. You need an awful lot of money.

So, it’s being led by just a few major corporations and governments. And, again, it’s going
to be very, very difficult to regulate something on a global level because it’s an arms race.
But there are things which countries have a benefit to regulate even only themselves.
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Like, again, this example of an AI must, when it is in interaction with a human, must
disclose that it is an AI. Even if some authoritarian regime doesn’t want to do it, the EU
or the United States or other democratic countries can have this. And this is essential to
protect the open society.

Now, there are many questions around censorship online. So, you have this controversy
about Twitter or Facebook. Who authorized them to, for instance, prevent the former
president of the United States from making public statements? And this is a very
complicated issue. But there is a very simple issue with bots.

You know, human beings have freedom of expression. Bots don’t have freedom of
expression. It’s a human right. Humans have it. Bots don’t. So, if you deny freedom of
expression to bots, I think that should be fine with everybody.

Vivienne Parry: Let’s take another question. If you could just pass the microphone
down here.

Female Audience: I’m Francoise Bayless and I’m a philosopher. I just have an
interesting question. Well, I think it’s an interesting question. There you go. I have a
question for you. With respect to your choice of language, moving from artificial to alien,
because artificial suggests that there’s still some kind of human control, whereas I think
alien suggests foreign, but it also suggests, at least in the imagination, a life form. So, I’m
curious as to what work you’re trying to have those words do for you.

Yuval Noah Harari: Yeah, it’s definitely still artificial in the sense that we produce it,
but it’s increasingly producing itself. It’s increasingly learning and adapting by itself. So,
artificial is a kind of wishful thinking, that it’s still under our control. And it’s getting
out of our control. So, in this sense, it is becoming an alien force. Not necessarily evil.
Again, it can also do a lot of good things.

But the first thing to realize is that it’s alien. We don’t understand how it works. And one
of the most shocking things about all this technology, you talk to the people who live it,
and you ask them questions about how it works, what can it do, and they say, we don’t
know.

I mean, we know how we built it initially, but then it really learns by itself. Now, there is
an entire discussion to be had about whether this is a life form or not. Now, I think that it
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still doesn’t have any consciousness, and I don’t think that it’s impossible for it to develop
consciousness, but I don’t think it’s necessary for it to develop consciousness either.

That’s an open question. But life doesn’t necessarily mean consciousness. We

have a lot of life forms, microorganisms, plants, whatever, fungi, which we think they
don’t have consciousness, we still regard them as a life form. And I think AI is getting
very, very close to that position.

Ultimately, of course, what is life is a philosophical question. I mean, we define the

boundaries, like is a virus life or not. We think that an amoeba is life, but a virus is
somewhere just on the borderline between life and not life. Then it’s language. It’s our
choice of words. So I think it is important, of course, how we call AI, but the most
important thing is to really understand what we are facing and not to comfort ourselves
with this kind of wishful thinking. Oh, it’s something we created. It’s under our control. If
it does something wrong, we’ll just pull the plug. Nobody knows how to pull the plug
anymore.

Vivienne Parry: I’m going to take a question from our online audience. This is from
Michael Brown in the US. What do you think about the possibility that artificial general
intelligence already exists, and it or those who have access to artificial general intelligence
are already influencing societal systems?

Yuval Noah Harari: I think it’s very, very unlikely. We wouldn’t be sitting here if there
actually existed an artificial general intelligence. When I look at the world and the chaotic
stage, I mean, artificial general intelligence is really the end of human history. And it’s
such a powerful thing. It’s not something that anybody can contain.

And so when I look at the chaotic state of the world, I’m quite confident, again, from a
historical perspective, that nobody has it anywhere. How much time it will take to
develop artificial general intelligence, I don’t know. But to threaten the foundations of
civilization, we don’t need artificial general intelligence.

Again, go back to social media. Very, very primitive AI was still sufficient to create
enormous social and political chaos. If I think about it in kind of evolutionary terms, so
AI now just crawled out of the organic soup, like the first organisms that crawled out of
the organic soup four billion years ago. How long it will take it to reach Tyrannosaurus

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Rex? How long it will take it to reach Homo sapiens? Not four billion years. It could be
just 40 years.

The thing about digital evolution, it’s moving on a completely different timescale than
organic evolution.

Vivienne Parry: Can I thank you? It’s been absolutely wonderful. It’s been such a treat
to have you here. And no doubt you’ll stay with us for a little while afterwards. But the
whole audience, please join me in thanking Yuval Noah Harari.

Thank you.

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The Danger of AI is Weirder Than You Think: Janelle Shane (Transcript)

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