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Liquid Glass, Spotlight, and the rest of WWDC 2025

On The Vergecast: the present, and future, of Apple’s software across all your devices. Siri not included.

On The Vergecast: the present, and future, of Apple’s software across all your devices. Siri not included.

David Pierce
David Pierce is editor-at-large and Vergecast co-host with over a decade of experience covering consumer tech. Previously, at Protocol, The Wall Street Journal, and Wired.

The tech world is full of cycles. Things are always bundling and unbundling, going from minimalist to maximalist, embracing nostalgia before diving head-first into the future. And right now, it appears, we’re doing glassy again.

On this episode of The Vergecast, Nilay and David are joined by The Verge’s Allison Johnson and Victoria Song to talk about all the news from Apple’s annual WWDC software extravaganza. There’s no place to start, of course, other than with Liquid Glass, the new design system that Apple is rolling out across all of its platforms. We talk about why Apple made the change, what it looks like so far, and whether this is the right way to approach the future of on- and off-screen digital design.

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After that, we do a spin through all of the big platform news. MacOS 26 will come with a huge upgrade to Spotlight, the iPad’s multitasking might actually work, your group chats are about to become either more or less chaotic, your workout buddy has a pep talk ready for you, and there are new things coming to CarPlay, AirPods, and even Photos.

Through it all, we spend a lot of time talking through Apple’s ongoing approach to AI. The supposedly Siri-centric future of everything remains basically on hold, as Apple tries to make the tech work, but Apple Intelligence figures into a lot of the company’s new software. It seems Apple has gotten back to what it does best: making the tech just work for people. But there’s simply no way to watch this year’s WWDC without thinking of Apple’s 2024 pitch for a completely new way to think about and use our devices — and the comparatively straightforward stuff it’s shipping a year later. How you feel about the next era of Apple software will depend entirely on how you feel about what might have been, and what might still be.

If you want to know more about everything we discuss in this episode, here are some links to get you started: